Yup, Decknique definitely isn't as good as a year ago.
richardz
· 1 year ago
There's a perfect example of a comment that doesn't help at all.
Harapan
· 1 year ago
Hey Richard:
How do you know if you have received a warning/infraction?
Anyway, I hope I have not caused any trouble for you on Decknique. I do try my best to post well. I feel for ya.
On a side note, I think BrianationX is causing a lot of trouble at Decknique. Even I am tempted to start bashing him. Any way to stop the trend?
- harapan. magic!
richardz
· 1 year ago
You'd know if you got one :) BnX is changing... we're keeping an eye on him too.
Cardmagic12345
· 1 year ago
I talked to him on AIM again. I taught him how to check his reps, he didn't know people where really mad at him. The he told me he was Brian Tudor. O_o
But since then he hasn't been doing anything wrong. I don't think he'll starting stuff anymore, and I think he's gonna be here for a while.
Lets see what happens.
trash
· 1 year ago
Hey Rich I definitely know what you mean there is alot more spam lately. the biggest thing I dont like is all the obviously fake shill accounts created to hide behind for people to try to be funny (and usually failing miserably) if you need an attack dogg just give me MOD POWER and I will pwn up! hehe
richardz
· 1 year ago
I actually haven't noticed this recently. If you suspect something please feel free to pm either me or the mods.
CardPiranha
· 1 year ago
I agree...I think. I might be a cause of it, but I really just try to benefit the site.
Sorry if sometimes I go overboard. At least I know I'm not a huge flamer or basher, since I really don't care about anybody else; it doesn't bother me when someone has a different opinion.
Don't go overboard with modding. I have said several times that you have to be less afraid to moderate; ask any of my friends, but don't get too serious. We should be able to do things like contests and battles without all this hate and nastiness flying around between members.
Well here I go writing a rant of my own. I'll end it here. CP (Sorry if my signature offended you at first)
Sean
· 1 year ago
One thing that's making this place suck is fags like Briannationx, clickhere, lawl, etc. \ [fake accounts I would go ahead and assume because thye don't have enough balls to post that crap in a real account\]. Great job banning \hopscotch though. I don't know what he did, but he deserved it.
richardz
· 1 year ago
That was an automatic 1 day ban set by the system since received too many infractions in a 10 day timespan.
Sean
· 1 year ago
Then it was deserved.
But I can easily see how you might be on the edge right now, my suggestion would be to get another moderator, someone who goes on a fair amount, and knows how to run things/get them done in a helpful/respectful manner, my suggestions would be Enigma and Haraparong.
Silent_Orch
· 1 year ago
Hey Rich. Hope I am not really causing anything. If I am, don't be afraid to moderate, give infractions to me, ect.
If you need to, ban me. I would know I had done something wrong, and I would understand.
Peace, S_o
C.S
· 1 year ago
I just try to stay out of all the bashing threads. Try, and most of the time I succeed. If there's anything I did, just do watcha gotta do.
I think you should like ban Viet from decknique chat though (if that's possible), haha. He's been making lots of trouble, impersonating people and such.
Ampersan5340
· 1 year ago
Rofl, sometimes you gotta just laugh, this is one of those moments.
Since you sound like you're working your ass off I think you should shut down Decknique. Forever, or even for a little while. This statement I say is strong but I feel things just keep getting worse and worse. I, along with many others, am very frustrated. Besides, this could bring the flourishers and the magicians closer together on Theory11.
Let people cool down, let them get there wits about themselves. I think about 3 months would be good.
I know you're not going to read this but I feel I just need to tell someone. If you do you're probably thinking this guy is crazy and he's a stupid teenager but hear me out. Let's have a fresh start and get away from all this anger and argument.
I have been watching Decknique crumble slowly into disrepair over the past year and a half. If you read this, please considerate it.
Sincerely, Ampersan5340
richardz
· 1 year ago
It has crossed my mind before but I consider that a severe last resort. I want to try the more hands on moderation first to actually let people know that kind of behaviour is not what we want to say.
Thanks for the comment and an actual constructive suggestion.
- Richard Z
enigma71688
· 1 year ago
Although I don't usually have enough time to read more than a few threads on decknique every day, i did notice a lot of unpleasant and pointless conversation. I don't think shutting down decknique is a good idea, I'm sure there are plenty of people who really want it to stay. I think what we need is harsher moderation. I don't mean banning someone permanently for posting something off topic, but perhaps after a few infractions, a warning. 3 warnings, then IP ban.
There are some people who go to decknique to see some intelligent discussion on a topic that interests them. Then there are the people who post just to cause trouble and start arguments. We shouldn't allow the latter to spoil things for the former. Then again, we don't want to ban someone who usually doesn't cause trouble either. I think the warnings, then ban might work.
Sean
· 1 year ago
I agree some people might miss it, but personally I would not at all mind if it shut down for a good year or so then came back. We'd miss each other during the shut down time, but I think it would be like a family reunion.
Richard sounds like he's about to drive his car into a lake (with him in it) right now, he's clearly been working extremely hard on a lot of stuff and I think he deserves a break.
I think getting an extra 3 or 4 mods would help out a LOT, but my first choice, although I know some would disagree with me, is for us to all take a break from the forum. (shut it down for a while). Well, good luck with however this works out for you.
enigma71688
· 1 year ago
I think a temporary shutdown is plausible, just to give richard a well deserved break. I was just against the idea of a permanent shutdown. After a year, everyone would certainly miss decknique, and who's to say there won't be new stuff added to the site by richard after that year, eh?
Sean
· 1 year ago
I completely agree, Richard sounds like he really needs a break, so does a lot of other people I think.
A lot of us just need a chance to cool our brains down.......... and I think a temporary close for Decknique (a year at the most) would benefit everyone, greatly.
kamujin
· 1 year ago
I concur! Let us all free our minds from this karmic mess! I think it will be better for everyones creativity as well. Richard just meditate on it.
"Then there are the people who post just to cause trouble and start arguments." -enigma71688 I don't believe it's necessarily bad to argue just as long as everyone keeps it a healthy debate.
peace
Karas
enigma71688
· 1 year ago
debate on a topic can be good. however, how often do you see a "healthy" debate go bad? I think a good 80-90% of the controversial topics end up as pointless arguments.
then there's what i said. you may have misunderstood me, I'm talking about people who post a statement that's very one-sided and about a controversial topic, they may not even care, they just want to see the people go nuts and start yelling at each other. I'm assuming they don't really care, as they sometimes put up many of these posts, and i dont think they really feel that strongly about all of them
kamujin
· 1 year ago
True. I misunderstood a bit. I'm just saying that we should transition from arguing to debating. instead of being one sided, the topics should pose a question which we should all have the opportunity to express ourselves through!
enigma71688
· 1 year ago
haha, that's something that will take more than moderation and a 1 year break to fix. that would mean making the entire community into thoughtful, intelligent posters. good luck if you have any ideas
Matt
· 1 year ago
That would be interesting to see decknique shut down for a couple weeks(Days?) I am sure a lot of people would cool down, get to think about this (art?) and come back nicer, and more productive.
I am really curious as to how the community would react on this. Maybe a thread perhaps could help, but than again, it would go off-topic =P
palmer
· 1 year ago
Well everyone is allowed to snap now and again, I have done so myself on more than one topic. I have my say on certain topics then I let it go. I may have been a tad harsh on T11, but never to them as an entity, just some of their practices.
Many times I have thought "Oh well, Ill get warned for this", but never have. To me this shows even arguments against what you think are right are respected here are respected in return. As someone who owns "another" website I know the finances and time put into these things.
If I could make a suggestion it would be to hide certain popular forums from "guests". Make them register. There are to many "guests" on all forums these days. These videos and discussions can be had anywhere. Make them be a part of the cardistry community instead of sitting on the sidelines. We have youtube for those folks. Try and make people contribute as much as they can receive here.
Nathan P
Daz
· 1 year ago
I havent been at decknique very long to give any huge criticisms, but there are some things I ve noticed that would smoothen things out a bit if they would improve.
What I particularly notice, is that people are way too harsh when it comes to rating videos where the editing isnt superb. For me personally, I work 40 hours a week, and still manage to get in quite a few hours practice per day, at the same time doing some part time work (every blue moon) doing magic. My point? I dont have time to take on another hobby, and it seems that many people here are just EXPECTING that if you can flourish well that you can also edit well. I applaud anyone who can edit and flourish well, but as long as your video is lit enough for me to see your moves, I could care less about anything else.
Another thing I think that makes some people "shy" about posting useful information is that fact that people seem to only seriously take advice from the "famous" flourishers on Decknique. There might be a guy who hasnt posted a vid for one reason or another who gives some KILLER advice on a topic, but if his name isnt Kev, Deren, Alan, ect, then people dont take the advice seriously. Im guilty of this myself. If someone asks a question on a move, and Kev helpfully responds, in my mind Im saying "if Kevs said it, I need say nothing else", simply because he has a high amount of credibility. Not that the more "elite" guys are doing something wrong. They are simply respected more, and because of that , they are taken more seriously.
BrianationX-I need not say more.
And lastly, on the issue on posting videos. Not EVERYONE is good at creating original material, and I think that people judge very harshly members who post moves from the system or the trilogy. You ve gotta start somewhere, and while some are very supportive on this, others simply say "nothing original and your camera isnt good enough..1/5". not very helpful, and it doesnt give people the confidence or will to wanna post again if their giving "one sentence advice".
I think Decknique is a great place, with a potential to be an AWESOME community. But some things clearly do need to change.
Eric
giocalcio
· 1 year ago
daz,i definatly agree with you on the editing part man and everything else for that manor. even for video quality to give a 4/5 instead of a 5/5. to be honest i cant afford to buy a high def camera just to make flourishing videos. and i agree with the one year shutdown not only to give rich a break but to let some of the newer members mature a little into cardistry. and that might even include myself, im pretty new to decknique actually.
and heres just an idea, if decknique stays, following on wat u said about new people posting vids and getting shitty ass comments that dont help them. maybe we could have a seperate performance section for new comers who are only looking for advice to make the video better and not necessarily hey nice moves man 5/5(not that thts bad), however in this section only certain members would be able to post. members who have been seen to give good advice and you feel they could inspire new commers to do better(idk how tht would work i guess ud give them like a special status or something). i wouldnt mean to make more work for you but i guess i feel thats not to bad of an idea.
giovanni
kamujin
· 1 year ago
I just joined DN and I was yelled at already for misspelling and using slang terms, but nothing negative! Richard is not playing around! He means business! As for strict moderation, even towards the newcomers, that could go on for a while. That’s a lot of people to tell they spelled something incorrectly. Never knew being part of DN had such strict guidelines. I do not think I have EVER been to a forum where you are warned for misspelling. You should take the site down as a warning and maybe people will appreciate the website you founded to help our community evolve. Then after everyone is done in time out! Post what you have to say. Take a break dude. Looks like you need it. peaceeee
Karas
trash
· 1 year ago
no heck no, don't take decknique down, that's like being mad at a fly on your window so you throw a brick at it.
kamujin
· 1 year ago
really depends on how frustrated he is with the fly.
N.S.
· 1 year ago
I've been lurking around Decknique for at least 2, maybe 3 years now, and I don't plan on joining the forums anytime soon -- I don't like where things are going.
The nature of our art (sort of "show-off" oriented) brings up some cocky attitude in a lot of people. I expect nothing less. A good amount of members in weight-training forums have the attitude of "i'll kick your ass" when any post is anything less than inspirational. Our hobby strikes up cocky and overly-confident attitudes, and people with cocky attitudes tend to be more active on this forum. An attitude change of our entire art needs to change, it's not just Decknique. The reason why Decknique sees more of this garbage is because Richard is kind enough to leave everyone on their own and not moderate this place as tough as it might need.
These same problems have been evident from the get go, and people were aware of it, but unfortunately not enough of us were applying ourselves and trying to stop the problem. Individuals who speak up and try to bring the communities back to a respectable status are often shunned as being too harsh, or ignored as being too serious. It's an unfortunate dilemma.
Furthermore, so many people are starting to participate in this art that it's becoming a bit overwhelming for everyone. Each person wants to get their voice heard, and it ends up in a shouting match. Ultimately you end up with useless threads, pointless discussions, poor behavior, and even fake accounts. I think people have completely forgotten stuff like the thread I posted at the beginning of this comment. Sure that wasn't the best writing ever, but it had a point.
Will this situation ever be corrected? That's a question that I suppose only time can tell. However, if not enough people stand up to try and improve the communities and the art in a respectful manner, my prediction is that, at the very least, it will stay right where it is.
-Someone who is waiting for a good day to come back to the community
All Comments
How do you know if you have received a warning/infraction?
Anyway, I hope I have not caused any trouble for you on Decknique. I do try my best to post well. I feel for ya.
On a side note, I think BrianationX is causing a lot of trouble at Decknique. Even I am tempted to start bashing him. Any way to stop the trend?
- harapan. magic!
But since then he hasn't been doing anything wrong. I don't think he'll starting stuff anymore, and I think he's gonna be here for a while.
Lets see what happens.
Sorry if sometimes I go overboard. At least I know I'm not a huge flamer or basher, since I really don't care about anybody else; it doesn't bother me when someone has a different opinion.
Don't go overboard with modding. I have said several times that you have to be less afraid to moderate; ask any of my friends, but don't get too serious. We should be able to do things like contests and battles without all this hate and nastiness flying around between members.
Well here I go writing a rant of my own. I'll end it here.
CP
(Sorry if my signature offended you at first)
But I can easily see how you might be on the edge right now, my suggestion would be to get another moderator, someone who goes on a fair amount, and knows how to run things/get them done in a helpful/respectful manner, my suggestions would be Enigma and Haraparong.
If you need to, ban me. I would know I had done something wrong, and I would understand.
Peace,
S_o
If there's anything I did, just do watcha gotta do.
I think you should like ban Viet from decknique chat though (if that's possible), haha. He's been making lots of trouble, impersonating people and such.
Since you sound like you're working your ass off I think you should shut down Decknique. Forever, or even for a little while. This statement I say is strong but I feel things just keep getting worse and worse. I, along with many others, am very frustrated. Besides, this could bring the flourishers and the magicians closer together on Theory11.
Let people cool down, let them get there wits about themselves. I think about 3 months would be good.
I know you're not going to read this but I feel I just need to tell someone. If you do you're probably thinking this guy is crazy and he's a stupid teenager but hear me out. Let's have a fresh start and get away from all this anger and argument.
I have been watching Decknique crumble slowly into disrepair over the past year and a half. If you read this, please considerate it.
Sincerely, Ampersan5340
resort. I want to try the more hands on moderation first to actually
let people know that kind of behaviour is not what we want to say.
Thanks for the comment and an actual constructive suggestion.
- Richard Z
There are some people who go to decknique to see some intelligent discussion on a topic that interests them. Then there are the people who post just to cause trouble and start arguments. We shouldn't allow the latter to spoil things for the former. Then again, we don't want to ban someone who usually doesn't cause trouble either. I think the warnings, then ban might work.
Richard sounds like he's about to drive his car into a lake (with him in it) right now, he's clearly been working extremely hard on a lot of stuff and I think he deserves a break.
I think getting an extra 3 or 4 mods would help out a LOT, but my first choice, although I know some would disagree with me, is for us to all take a break from the forum. (shut it down for a while).
Well, good luck with however this works out for you.
A lot of us just need a chance to cool our brains down.......... and I think a temporary close for Decknique (a year at the most) would benefit everyone, greatly.
"Then there are the people who post just to cause trouble and start arguments." -enigma71688
I don't believe it's necessarily bad to argue just as long as everyone keeps it a healthy debate.
peace
Karas
then there's what i said. you may have misunderstood me, I'm talking about people who post a statement that's very one-sided and about a controversial topic, they may not even care, they just want to see the people go nuts and start yelling at each other. I'm assuming they don't really care, as they sometimes put up many of these posts, and i dont think they really feel that strongly about all of them
I am really curious as to how the community would react on this. Maybe a thread perhaps could help, but than again, it would go off-topic =P
Many times I have thought "Oh well, Ill get warned for this", but never have. To me this shows even arguments against what you think are right are respected here are respected in return. As someone who owns "another" website I know the finances and time put into these things.
If I could make a suggestion it would be to hide certain popular forums from "guests". Make them register. There are to many "guests" on all forums these days. These videos and discussions can be had anywhere. Make them be a part of the cardistry community instead of sitting on the sidelines. We have youtube for those folks. Try and make people contribute as much as they can receive here.
Nathan P
What I particularly notice, is that people are way too harsh when it comes to rating videos where the editing isnt superb. For me personally, I work 40 hours a week, and still manage to get in quite a few hours practice per day, at the same time doing some part time work (every blue moon) doing magic. My point? I dont have time to take on another hobby, and it seems that many people here are just EXPECTING that if you can flourish well that you can also edit well. I applaud anyone who can edit and flourish well, but as long as your video is lit enough for me to see your moves, I could care less about anything else.
Another thing I think that makes some people "shy" about posting useful information is that fact that people seem to only seriously take advice from the "famous" flourishers on Decknique. There might be a guy who hasnt posted a vid for one reason or another who gives some KILLER advice on a topic, but if his name isnt Kev, Deren, Alan, ect, then people dont take the advice seriously. Im guilty of this myself. If someone asks a question on a move, and Kev helpfully responds, in my mind Im saying "if Kevs said it, I need say nothing else", simply because he has a high amount of credibility. Not that the more "elite" guys are doing something wrong. They are simply respected more, and because of that , they are taken more seriously.
BrianationX-I need not say more.
And lastly, on the issue on posting videos. Not EVERYONE is good at creating original material, and I think that people judge very harshly members who post moves from the system or the trilogy. You ve gotta start somewhere, and while some are very supportive on this, others simply say "nothing original and your camera isnt good enough..1/5". not very helpful, and it doesnt give people the confidence or will to wanna post again if their giving "one sentence advice".
I think Decknique is a great place, with a potential to be an AWESOME community. But some things clearly do need to change.
Eric
and heres just an idea, if decknique stays, following on wat u said about new people posting vids and getting shitty ass comments that dont help them. maybe we could have a seperate performance section for new comers who are only looking for advice to make the video better and not necessarily hey nice moves man 5/5(not that thts bad), however in this section only certain members would be able to post. members who have been seen to give good advice and you feel they could inspire new commers to do better(idk how tht would work i guess ud give them like a special status or something). i wouldnt mean to make more work for you but i guess i feel thats not to bad of an idea.
giovanni
Karas
The nature of our art (sort of "show-off" oriented) brings up some cocky attitude in a lot of people. I expect nothing less. A good amount of members in weight-training forums have the attitude of "i'll kick your ass" when any post is anything less than inspirational. Our hobby strikes up cocky and overly-confident attitudes, and people with cocky attitudes tend to be more active on this forum. An attitude change of our entire art needs to change, it's not just Decknique. The reason why Decknique sees more of this garbage is because Richard is kind enough to leave everyone on their own and not moderate this place as tough as it might need.
These same problems have been evident from the get go, and people were aware of it, but unfortunately not enough of us were applying ourselves and trying to stop the problem. Individuals who speak up and try to bring the communities back to a respectable status are often shunned as being too harsh, or ignored as being too serious. It's an unfortunate dilemma.
Furthermore, so many people are starting to participate in this art that it's becoming a bit overwhelming for everyone. Each person wants to get their voice heard, and it ends up in a shouting match. Ultimately you end up with useless threads, pointless discussions, poor behavior, and even fake accounts. I think people have completely forgotten stuff like the thread I posted at the beginning of this comment. Sure that wasn't the best writing ever, but it had a point.
Will this situation ever be corrected? That's a question that I suppose only time can tell. However, if not enough people stand up to try and improve the communities and the art in a respectful manner, my prediction is that, at the very least, it will stay right where it is.
-Someone who is waiting for a good day to come back to the community